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Canadians now need a passport to get in the US
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Rightard Whitey
2005-04-06 20:45:04 UTC
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Here we go again with the spiteful Bush administration trying to punish
our neighbors from the Great White North because Canada wouldn't support
the contrived Iraq War. Canadians now must have passports to get into
the US, but they won't need to be fingerprinted.

I'm certain the Canadian government will quickly return the favor.
--
Educating rightards every day.
Ron Olin
2005-04-06 21:59:56 UTC
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I live about four miles from the Peace Arch crossing and plan on talking to
some Canadian and US border crossing personnel about this idiotic crap.
Anyone that thinks this will stem "terrorism" is insane. BOTH countries
protect their terrorists from prosecution (US - protecting Saudi
Nationals... Canada - protecting the Seikh a-holes). There is a game being
played on EVERYONE and it doesn't matter WHICH country you come from or what
political affiliation you have (right - left). The politicans are all
joined at the hip AGAINST the common people (Americans DON'T have a REAL
oppostition party).

Go to Zero Avenue (Surrey BC ~ Blaine Washington) - and all you have is a
pathetic DITCH seperating our two countries. Go further east and you can
easily hike across the border ANYWHERE (HOW do you think BC-Hydro gets
across?).
Post by Rightard Whitey
Here we go again with the spiteful Bush administration trying to punish
our neighbors from the Great White North because Canada wouldn't support
the contrived Iraq War. Canadians now must have passports to get into the
US, but they won't need to be fingerprinted.
I'm certain the Canadian government will quickly return the favor.
--
Educating rightards every day.
Roedy Green
2005-04-06 23:18:47 UTC
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Post by Ron Olin
HOW do you think BC-Hydro gets
across?).
or the marijuana crop for that matter.


Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
Ron Olin
2005-04-07 00:00:57 UTC
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Roedy... You live in Victoria right?

That is the name that most people in the lower mainland call the BC
marijuana crop (a play on names... BC Hydro ((Power Company)) and BC
HydroPONICS).
Post by Roedy Green
Post by Ron Olin
HOW do you think BC-Hydro gets
across?).
or the marijuana crop for that matter.
Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
Roedy Green
2005-04-07 05:17:33 UTC
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Post by Ron Olin
That is the name that most people in the lower mainland call the BC
marijuana crop (a play on names... BC Hydro ((Power Company)) and BC
HydroPONICS).
Could well be, I have not heard that. The forest service had a slogan
"Keep BC Green" which now has a second meaning.


Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
Jtm
2005-04-06 21:26:58 UTC
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Here we go again with the spiteful Bush administration trying to punish our
neighbors from the Great White North because Canada wouldn't support the
contrived Iraq War. Canadians now must have passports to get into the US, but
they won't need to be fingerprinted.
I'm certain the Canadian government will quickly return the favor.
--
Educating rightards every day.
First you bitch about the lack of security and then you bitch when it is
tightened up!
What do you want to bitch about tomorrow?
I am sure you will find something!
Rightard Whitey
2005-04-07 02:09:54 UTC
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Post by Jtm
Here we go again with the spiteful Bush administration trying to punish our
neighbors from the Great White North because Canada wouldn't support the
contrived Iraq War. Canadians now must have passports to get into the US, but
they won't need to be fingerprinted.
I'm certain the Canadian government will quickly return the favor.
--
Educating rightards every day.
First you bitch about the lack of security and then you bitch when it is
tightened up!
What do you want to bitch about tomorrow?
I am sure you will find something!
You've got me confused with a Patriot Act groupie.
--
Educating rightards every day.
Roedy Green
2005-04-06 22:02:18 UTC
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:45:04 GMT, Rightard Whitey
Post by Rightard Whitey
Here we go again with the spiteful Bush administration trying to punish
our neighbors from the Great White North because Canada wouldn't support
the contrived Iraq War. Canadians now must have passports to get into
the US, but they won't need to be fingerprinted.
The people who will be hurt most are all the little businesses dotted
along the border on either side. Most hurt will be the US gas
stations.

Getting a passport is a hassle, and costs $87 CAD, but with electronic
id, it could speed things up if they stop every car and check every
passenger with wand scanning.

I suspect a heck of a lot of tourists will just say "Why bother?"
after being turned back once.

Any terrorist serious about getting in could just cross in a field or
forest somewhere. There are no guards.

They will have to deal with the problem of people who leave the USA
without passports, then can't get back in.


Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
Carlos
2005-04-06 23:42:22 UTC
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Hello,

I vacation in Canada every summer and love Canada and Canadians. They
are fine people. They have a great country. The exhibit great
patience with us, but sometimes get a little exasperated.

The summer after 9-11, the Canadian border guys told us we needed
passports to get in, after we had driven 1000 miles. A driver's
license was all that had been required previously, and we usually
didn't even have to show that; they asked the usual gun/alcohol/gifts
for Canadians questions and waved us through.

But the U.S. side had been hassling Canadians trying to get into
Washington, by understaffing the crossings and demanding usual amounts
of ID.

So it was tit-for-tat. The guy tried to be hard-nosed, but most
Canadians can't manage that very well. Eventually he let us in without
the passport, doing his best to be unfriendly, but failing.

If they, the Canadians, really want to piss Americans off and cause
trouble for the U.S., they will let them in without passports, so they
can't come back without giant hassles from th U.S. side. I can see
it now: hundreds of irate Americans stuck in Canada because they don't
have American passports. Even those who have passports will face huge
lineups at the border because of the processing of those without.
During the summer, on certain days, it can take hours to cross the
border into the U.S., even without passport requirements in place.

I hope they don't do it, but we deserve it. Canada is our closest
ally, our dearest friend, and we have abused her in recent years. We
are brother countries. It says so on the Peace Arch.

Carlos
Ron Olin
2005-04-07 00:08:51 UTC
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http://www.borderlineups.com/ is a GREAT place to see the border crossings
in the lower mainland (Greater Vancouver Regional District).

Businesses that rely on cross border shoppers will suffer the most (usually
AMERICAN companies). It's AMAZING that they haven't made any vocal stance
against this pathetic political grandstanding move. Anyone that lives near
the border KNOWS how utterly stupid this move is.

BTW- How many shipping containers are checked that come into your country?
Post by Carlos
Hello,
I vacation in Canada every summer and love Canada and Canadians. They
are fine people. They have a great country. The exhibit great
patience with us, but sometimes get a little exasperated.
The summer after 9-11, the Canadian border guys told us we needed
passports to get in, after we had driven 1000 miles. A driver's
license was all that had been required previously, and we usually
didn't even have to show that; they asked the usual gun/alcohol/gifts
for Canadians questions and waved us through.
But the U.S. side had been hassling Canadians trying to get into
Washington, by understaffing the crossings and demanding usual amounts
of ID.
So it was tit-for-tat. The guy tried to be hard-nosed, but most
Canadians can't manage that very well. Eventually he let us in without
the passport, doing his best to be unfriendly, but failing.
If they, the Canadians, really want to piss Americans off and cause
trouble for the U.S., they will let them in without passports, so they
can't come back without giant hassles from th U.S. side. I can see
it now: hundreds of irate Americans stuck in Canada because they don't
have American passports. Even those who have passports will face huge
lineups at the border because of the processing of those without.
During the summer, on certain days, it can take hours to cross the
border into the U.S., even without passport requirements in place.
I hope they don't do it, but we deserve it. Canada is our closest
ally, our dearest friend, and we have abused her in recent years. We
are brother countries. It says so on the Peace Arch.
Carlos
Roedy Green
2005-04-07 05:30:31 UTC
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Post by Ron Olin
It's AMAZING that they haven't made any vocal stance
against this pathetic political grandstanding move.
They have. There was a piece on the TV news. I doubt the voices will
get to Washington. It is a lot easier as a bureaucrat to force
law-abiding people to jump through hoops than to actually catch
terrorists.

Though there has not been a terrorist threat, except the relatively
minor 9/11 (averaging 750 casualties a year, far less that hundreds of
other dangers) (and which I assert was an inside job), it is probably
necessary to prepare for a less secure future given the way the USA
has pissed off nearly everyone.



Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
Roedy Green
2005-04-07 05:25:25 UTC
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Post by Carlos
If they, the Canadians, really want to piss Americans off and cause
trouble for the U.S., they will let them in without passports, so they
can't come back without giant hassles from th U.S. side.
Even if the Canadian customs turn US tourists back without passports
look what happens.

Homer Simpson leaves for a short trip to Canada, travelling by
Seattle. He has no passports, not paying attention to such things.
Further, they would too expensive for the whole family.

He goes north via the Peace Arch at Blaine. He is turned back from
Canada, but he has now left the USA. There is a quarter mile or so
separating the US and Canadian customs. He is now stuck in no-man's
land until he can prove he is American and not a terrorist trying a
dodge to get in without passport ID.

Every one of these bozos will cause a major hassle. If enough do it,
all you need is a car with US plates to get into the USA. I suppose
at least it focusing attention on a smaller number for scrutiny.

What the Americans might have to do is check people LEAVING the
country to make sure they have passports. Hey, that's what the
Communists used to do.





Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
Rightard Whitey
2005-04-07 02:12:51 UTC
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Post by Roedy Green
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:45:04 GMT, Rightard Whitey
Post by Rightard Whitey
Here we go again with the spiteful Bush administration trying to punish
our neighbors from the Great White North because Canada wouldn't support
the contrived Iraq War. Canadians now must have passports to get into
the US, but they won't need to be fingerprinted.
The people who will be hurt most are all the little businesses dotted
along the border on either side. Most hurt will be the US gas
stations.
Getting a passport is a hassle, and costs $87 CAD, but with electronic
id, it could speed things up if they stop every car and check every
passenger with wand scanning.
I suspect a heck of a lot of tourists will just say "Why bother?"
after being turned back once.
Any terrorist serious about getting in could just cross in a field or
forest somewhere. There are no guards.
They will have to deal with the problem of people who leave the USA
without passports, then can't get back in.
Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm
Exactly. Jeb Bush will cry like a baby when those Canadian snow birds
don't come to Florida. This will really help the tourism industry here.
--
Educating rightards every day.
Roedy Green
2005-04-07 05:34:53 UTC
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 02:12:51 GMT, Rightard Whitey
Post by Rightard Whitey
Exactly. Jeb Bush will cry like a baby when those Canadian snow birds
don't come to Florida. This will really help the tourism industry here.
Airlines won't let you board without a passport if you need one at the
other end.

Often when you travel to the USA from Canada, you go through US
customs in a Canadian airport. Passports will be much less of a
hassle for air travelers. They are used to needing them for
international travel.

It is going to take a major phase in education program for cars. Most
people simply won't find out until they try to travel without one.
Think how many people only travel to Canada every few years. They
would not be aware of the problem.

People need one warning tracked by license plate during a phase in to
rigid rules.




Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
hope
2005-04-07 00:11:55 UTC
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Post by Rightard Whitey
Here we go again with the spiteful Bush administration trying to punish
our neighbors from the Great White North because Canada wouldn't support
the contrived Iraq War. Canadians now must have passports to get into
the US, but they won't need to be fingerprinted.
I'm certain the Canadian government will quickly return the favor.
No need. Canada will only benefit.
For instant, many Cross boarder shopping Canadians will prefer shop at
home prevent the hassle, many Canadian will change their vacation plan
to other southern country or learn about other parts of country they
never realize it is wonderland hidden in the backyard, many foreign will
avoid hassle visit Canada instead because overwork custom harassment etc.

Canadians should be cheer with joys.
Roedy Green
2005-04-07 05:39:34 UTC
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Post by hope
For instant, many Cross boarder shopping Canadians will prefer shop at
home prevent the hassle, many Canadian will change their vacation plan
to other southern country or learn about other parts of country they
never realize it is wonderland hidden in the backyard, many foreign will
avoid hassle visit Canada instead because overwork custom harassment etc.
Everyone in the car has to have their passport. So you can't
spontaneously visit the US for a quick cross border shopping trip.
Everyone in the car must remember to take her passport, something you
CAN'T stick in your wallet.

If people start routinely carrying them around, that means they will
be much easier to steal or find.

If I were in charge, I would give people a wallet smart card in
addition to the paper passport. Then they could keep it conveniently
in the wallet and use it generally for high quality id. In Canada, a
passport is all you need for ID anywhere.

The US and Canada could accept the wallet card since you don't need
the paper pages for a visa.





Bush crime family lost/embezzled $3 trillion from Pentagon.
Complicit Bush-friendly media keeps mum.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
Ron Olin
2005-04-07 06:12:16 UTC
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Post by Roedy Green
If I were in charge, I would give people a wallet smart card in
addition to the paper passport. Then they could keep it conveniently
in the wallet and use it generally for high quality id. In Canada, a
passport is all you need for ID anywhere.
The US and Canada could accept the wallet card since you don't need
the paper pages for a visa.
Roedy...

Sorry, but - that is a NATIONAL ID CARD program that you are talking about.
When THEY get forged - what's next? Micro Chip implants? Retinal Scans?

This could ALL be avoided if the US would START acting in a responsible
manner abroad. Americans are seen by many as being both ignorant and
arrogant people - this superiority complex is driven by Hollywood movies and
their media.

"Super Power"? = CHINA
"Leader of the 'FREE WORLD'"? = NOBODY'S "FREE" anymore.

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